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Post by ellebee on Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:59 pm

I watched what I expected to be a program vilifying the owners and trainers of fighting dogs but instead I watched mostly drivel and a lot about how "pitbulls are vicious and will take on any dog no matter how big" which by the way is a direct quote. I thought that we were starting to get past this inflammatory misinformation in the media what with rescues promoting bull breeds but we are so obviously stuck in the stone ages on this issue.

A relative of mine wont let her children near Junior now after seeing it as he will most definitely "savage" them. Because OBVIOUSLY thats what "pit bulls" do. He's not even a pit bull, he is a staffy...and a lovely one at that.

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Post by Bullseye on Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:47 pm

Looks like the same drivel, we get over here........

Same old crap -

1. Man/Woman standing in darkened car park.

2. Man/Woman talking drivel and scaremongering.

3. Man/Woman produces somthing from coat pocket.

4. I normally turn them off at this point........ but it's then likely followed by some dramatic music, some clips from Panorama and then more drivel lol

To be honest, they just want to make "good" telly... and that's about it.... but its getting a bit old now, I think they've just about played this one out!

I can't even be bothered to watch anymore of 15 seconds of it :)

Keep your chin up mate, these are just people who are desperate to be famous Wink
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Post by Harry on Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:03 pm

I haven't clicked your links, but I assume it's the show that was on tv3, Lawless Ireland?

I watched from 22mins onwards on the 3player. I couldn't watch any more than 5 minutes of it because of the bullshit and blatant lies being told, but that's what I've come to expect from tv3/3e and the international alternatives. It's all just controversial programming in order to try and draw in customers/viewers.
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Post by brendant on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:27 am

is it coinsciedence that only a few weeks after the dog attacks in the uk that an english owned company who say there irish, show crap like this!! the awarness is out there responsible ownership is something they should make a programe about and see wat the ratings is like.

Nothing against the uk either lol just pointing it out
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Post by Bullseye on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:26 pm

No mate totally agree........... :)

Lawless [add country name] has always been a crock of sh*t lmao!
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Post by theoldgit on Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:18 pm

the media in all forms has always used a minoity to alarm the majority

EG:HAND FULL OF DOG FIGHTERS IN IRELAND=GOOD TV [SHOCK REPORT]

IRISH DOG OWNERS PROMOTING RESPONSIBLE TRAINING AND OWNERSHIP=POOR TV

DANGEROUS ROAD 2 FATALITIES IN LAST 12 MTHS=GOOD TV

50,000 USE THIS ROAD EACH YEAR WITHOUT INCIDENT=POOR TV


ITS EVERY THING THEY DO TO MAKE AN IMPACT,I could go on but I think you all get the point of this,treat the media with the utter contempt that they treat us with................keep up the good work that you are all doing,regards and respect from the UK

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Post by ellebee on Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:23 pm

Yeah harry it was that one! You wouldnt believe the amount of people saying to me that my dog is dangerous because they heard "all about them on the telly"....

Also a point to note: Heard on the radio that a two year old boy was mauled by a husky. Now obviously my heart goes out to the poor boy and his family but I doubt that huskies are going to now be labeled as baby killers the way it would if it was a pit...
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Post by vickymonahan on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:46 pm

I saw the programme lawless Ireland and was so annoyed by the way they were talking about "all Pitbulls in general are aggressive " I tried to contact tv3 by emailing and Ringing them To complain but they never got back to me ..... I never had a problem with people when walking esme everyone is grand wih her But since Sunday people have been complaining to me about how "dangerous " it is to have one
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Post by Harry on Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:03 pm

vickymonahan wrote:I saw the programme lawless Ireland and was so annoyed by the way they were talking about "all Pitbulls in general are aggressive " I tried to contact tv3 by emailing and Ringing them To complain but they never got back to me ..... I never had a problem with people when walking esme everyone is grand wih her But since Sunday people have been complaining to me about how "dangerous " it is to have one

Being honest, do you not agree? In general, APBT's are aggressive. It's a breed trait, they're supposed to be aggressive.

Not with people, but with other animals, yes. It's what they were bred to be/do and people who say they're not are only kidding themselves.
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Post by vickymonahan on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:19 pm

Yeah of course!! it's a breed trait it's what they were bred to do anyone who thinks they dog will never fight with another animal shouldn't have a pitbull as you should always be on guard when owning them because yea anything can happen !!But nevermind that the programme was supposed to open peoples eyes on how horrible fighting them is and how fighter dogs are a danger to the public ..... But towards the end of the programme they gave people the impression That all Pitbulls are a danger to the public And that all people should fear them they totally went off the point of fighting dogs and practically made out That the breed in general are all monsters and there is no need for that ... Like people on this site who work hard to socialise and teach their Dogs good traits will be punished just for having a dog with has a bad name Because of programmes like this
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Post by Philly Mc00 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:38 pm

I agree with you Vicky, and another thing people don't realise is that it's the nob end pet owners dog that bites people and not the dog fighter, I am not taking up for the dog fighters but I will say this the general public never get to see a dog fighters dog to even get bitten off it plus the dogman know's exactly what he has on the end of the lead and it's worth alot of money to him so do they thing he's gonna let it run riot around the estates eating up all the little kiddies.

The say truth is it's the gobshite that bought himself a pitbull as a fashion accessory that's the number 1 enemy of this breed and the media only love to hear about some poor unfortunate getting malled by a "PitBull Type dog" If more owners addopted the attitude of allot of the members of this forum we would soon be fighting a winning battle.

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Post by Harry on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:44 pm

vickymonahan wrote:Yeah of course!! it's a breed trait it's what they were bred to do anyone who thinks they dog will never fight with another animal shouldn't have a pitbull as you should always be on guard when owning them because yea anything can happen !!But nevermind that the programme was supposed to open peoples eyes on how horrible fighting them is and how fighter dogs are a danger to the public ..... But towards the end of the programme they gave people the impression That all Pitbulls are a danger to the public And that all people should fear them they totally went off the point of fighting dogs and practically made out That the breed in general are all monsters and there is no need for that ... Like people on this site who work hard to socialise and teach their Dogs good traits will be punished just for having a dog with has a bad name Because of programmes like this

I disagree that 'fighter dogs' are a danger to the public.
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Post by vickymonahan on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:48 pm

Philly Mc00 wrote:I agree with you Vicky, and another thing people don't realise is that it's the nob end pet owners dog that bites people and not the dog fighter, I am not taking up for the dog fighters but I will say this the general public never get to see a dog fighters dog to even get bitten off it plus the dogman know's exactly what he has on the end of the lead and it's worth alot of money to him so do they thing he's gonna let it run riot around the estates eating up all the little kiddies.

The say truth is it's the gobshite that bought himself a pitbull as a fashion accessory that's the number 1 enemy of this breed and the media only love to hear about some poor unfortunate getting malled by a "PitBull Type dog" If more owners addopted the attitude of allot of the members of this forum we would soon be fighting a winning battle.
Phil i couldnt agree with you more thats the truth its people who like the idea of having a pitbull but wont bother to put the time in !!
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Post by cs on Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:19 pm

Unfortunately this happens with all dog breeds not just bull breeds, in fact it happens to everything in life....There will always be those who are responsible and those that aren't!

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Post by brendant on Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:06 am

true bullseye... they should come and record one of the IPBTA events and see the hard work RESPONSIBLE OWNERS do to encourage there dogs to social and competetive in a nice was, but would that ever happen....Not a hope wud they cause its not good viewing for these mindless A-Holes lol
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Post by vickymonahan on Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:01 am

They should !!!! and then we will see what they have to say about the breed after seeing one of the event days lol!
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Post by celticpitbulls on Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:39 am

Seeing is believing! and never have i seen a documentary done on any angle to promote the positive side of the coin in the UK or Ireland. Id welcome any of them people up to our days and let them see for them self that its a dog its going to act like a dog and work like a dog, its going to sleep, eat and poo just like a dog.

All to often people are tared with the same brush as others, anytime a dog attack happens its always narrowed down to dog fighting which has nothing to do with it, attacks 9 times out of 10 happen in pet homes or on the street.

A dogs breed plays a small factor in its behavior and all to often they like to put the blame on the breed of dog. Monsters are not born their rared! Being a pit bull and being bred for animal combat is used all to often as an excuse for the reasons behind attacks and this error is only dealing with the symptoms and not the causes.

We all suffer for the irresponsibility's and actions of the uneducated, And until people realize "bans don't work" and start to listen to the opinions of people that understand dogs and try to build a bridge of promoting responsible ownership and educating people then this is never going to deal with the problem, All attacks are preventible with the rite knowledgeable owner.
Education is the key but for now i think its going to be the same story " you must be a criminal in some way if you happen to own a pit bull"

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Post by cs on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:15 pm

celticpitbulls wrote:Seeing is believing! and never have i seen a documentary done on any angle to promote the positive side of the coin in the UK or Ireland. Id welcome any of them people up to our days and let them see for them self that its a dog its going to act like a dog and work like a dog, its going to sleep, eat and poo just like a dog.

All to often people are tared with the same brush as others, anytime a dog attack happens its always narrowed down to dog fighting which has nothing to do with it, attacks 9 times out of 10 happen in pet homes or on the street.

A dogs breed plays a small factor in its behavior and all to often they like to put the blame on the breed of dog. Monsters are not born their rared! Being a pit bull and being bred for animal combat is used all to often as an excuse for the reasons behind attacks and this error is only dealing with the symptoms and not the causes.

We all suffer for the irresponsibility's and actions of the uneducated, And until people realize "bans don't work" and start to listen to the opinions of people that understand dogs and try to build a bridge of promoting responsible ownership and educating people then this is never going to deal with the problem, All attacks are preventible with the rite knowledgeable owner.
Education is the key but for now i think its going to be the same story " you must be a criminal in some way if you happen to own a pit bull"

Well said!
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Post by YENALED on Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:34 pm

cs wrote:
celticpitbulls wrote:Seeing is believing! and never have i seen a documentary done on any angle to promote the positive side of the coin in the UK or Ireland. Id welcome any of them people up to our days and let them see for them self that its a dog its going to act like a dog and work like a dog, its going to sleep, eat and poo just like a dog.

All to often people are tared with the same brush as others, anytime a dog attack happens its always narrowed down to dog fighting which has nothing to do with it, attacks 9 times out of 10 happen in pet homes or on the street.

A dogs breed plays a small factor in its behavior and all to often they like to put the blame on the breed of dog. Monsters are not born their rared! Being a pit bull and being bred for animal combat is used all to often as an excuse for the reasons behind attacks and this error is only dealing with the symptoms and not the causes.

We all suffer for the irresponsibility's and actions of the uneducated, And until people realize "bans don't work" and start to listen to the opinions of people that understand dogs and try to build a bridge of promoting responsible ownership and educating people then this is never going to deal with the problem, All attacks are preventible with the rite knowledgeable owner.
Education is the key but for now i think its going to be the same story " you must be a criminal in some way if you happen to own a pit bull"

Well said!

I'll second that cheers

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Post by vickymonahan on Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Completely agree !!! cheers
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Post by Harry on Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:52 pm

I disagree with the 3rd paragraph Lilly.
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Post by vickymonahan on Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:53 pm

Why She's right though ?
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Post by celticpitbulls on Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:59 pm

Harry wrote:I disagree with the 3rd paragraph Lilly.
yeah? Quote me and let's know why?

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Post by brendant on Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:56 pm

Totally agree lilly...Harry u always have something to disagree with lol!
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Post by Harry on Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:07 pm

celticpitbulls wrote:

A dogs breed plays a small factor in its behavior and all to often they like to put the blame on the breed of dog. Monsters are not born their rared!


This is what I disagree with, I believe completely the opposite. It's my opinion that being a 'pit bull' as you put it, has every thing to do with the dogs behaviour. Most of you own just APBT's, Staffs or a mix of the two. Very few if any of you actually own a 'regular' dog like a Labrador, Spaniel or similar. As most of you know I myself have 3 dogs, Eddie, my Stafford pup and my two Golden Retrievers, Bobby (6) and Ruby (Almost 3)

From attending the walks and events you had organised I already had a good view of the differences between your dogs in particular and my own dogs, this being prior to getting my own pup, Eddie. Over the last few months, through owning my own dog and comparing the two breeds to meeting great new people, I have realised that they are very different dogs.

Walking one of my Golden's is a very relaxing experience, you can stroll, you can jog, you can run, you can do whatever you want. It is easy, you don't have to worry about them pulling you, lunging at everything or just being a general nuisance. However, when you walk an APBT, the same can NOT, be said. You must be constantly on your toes and on the look out for possible targets. It is not easy to walk an APBT compared to a Retriever or similar. They are inheritantly stronger and in every single case I've seen, they're a lot more Aggresive, simple as that.

This proves that the breed does make a difference. APBTs are more aggressive than most other breeds on the planet and there's nothing you can do about it.

As for the part of your post that says they are not born any different, it's "how you raise them" I think we all know that is complete bullshit. Maybe not everyone here will have experience with pups but quite a few will, they will know that pups can and do kill each other at just 6 weeks old. Dogs that are still infants which have no qualms about launching into a full gown dog and doing their level best to do as much damage as they can. I know some will not believe this, but it is the truth. It has happened countless times all across the world.

This may not be the best press for the breed, but it is the TRUTH. This is what people need to know. These are not 'regular' dogs and as such should not be treated like they are. This is my opinion, you can choose to listen to it, or listen to everyone and "raise your dog right" and watch him kill the Neighbours poodle two years later.

Please keep in mind that I love real APBTs, these dogs are my passion but I hate to see them misrepresented. I can think of no greater animal than the APBT, I can't wait to get my own.

I'd appreciate if this was left posted here and was not deleted with out explanation. I've tried my best to voice my opinion with out breaking your forum rules.

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